Talk:Rugby sevens

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drop kick only conversions[edit]

"The only major rule change from rugby union regarding events on the field is that conversions must be drop goals." says the article as of 1/8/05. "Change" should be "difference", but more imdid u know that sevens is the best they should have more womens games tho!!!!portantly, someone needs to check this fact. I'm not competent to rule, but if the IRB has adopted the Hong Kong rule of conversions by drop only, then maybe they've also adopted the Hong Kong rule wherein the team that scores kicks off. -- robgood@bestweb.net

In all the 7s games I have played they were all drop kicked, I didn't think it was a "proper" rule, maybe it is, I thought it was just to speed up the game. Also, we don't have anyone attacking the kicker and because of this we usually kick from behind the goal posts toward the field. Is it a rule to not have defenders under the goal on kicks? Also, does it state somewhere that it must be kicked from the field? or, like we have done, as long as it is perpendicular to the try anywhere is fine? (can not return a missed goal?) Billy Nair 21:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Significance[edit]

Entries re the significance of the cup, bowl, plate etc in a rugby sevens tournament would be helpful.

In the IRB World Sevens Series - The Cup final is for 1st and 2nd places, the Plate for 3rd and 4th places, the Bowl for 5th and 6th places, and if there is a Shield - For 7th and 8th places. Verify @ usasevens.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.61.173 (talfhjigfnkrihrkjkngjiktykngfibrjgbbirk) 23:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Rugby 10s (Tens) anyone?[edit]

Someone should start an article about Rugby 10s. It is widely played in Southeast Asia. It blends the fast-pace of sevens and organizations of 15s. I'm poor in writing so I leave it to all who are good at it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.95.10.159 (talk) 01:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Done - Rugby tens--MacRusgail (talk) 17:42, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

RugbySevensGuru[edit]

A new editor called RugbySevensGuru (talk · contribs) has added a external link www.rugbysevensguru.com Your guide to playing, training and coaching sevens rugby, which looks as though it is link spam, given that the editor's chosen name matches the name of the web site. However, it might be a worthwhile site. If so, it can be added back by any editor who isn't connected with www.rugbysevensguru.com. - Pointillist (talk) 13:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

I propose the Rugby sevens be moved to Rugby union sevens and that Rugby sevens be a disambiguation page for the sevens versions of both rugby union and rugby league. The term 'Rugby sevens' is ambiguous - it can refer to either sport. The article is predominantly rugby union orientated (with a token league section); I think this should be rectified. The change would:

  • It would follow the precedent of the main articles for rugby league and rugby union - rugby football isn't the main article for union; I don't think it's justified for rugby sevens to be one.
  • Help reduce confusion about whether union and league are two separate sports or not.

Please discuss. LunarLander // talk // 23:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Nobody calls this sport "Rugby union sevens". The difference between this and "rugby union" is that the RFU designated their sport as "rugby union" following the break with the Northern clubs. It is not a name invented by Wikipedia to help disambiguate the two sports. The present situation is fine.GordyB (talk) 09:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Samoa Rugby Union call it "rugby union sevens" actually, so you're incorrect. This article begins "Rugby sevens is a variant of rugby union" and Samoa RU state, "Sevens is a stripped-down version of rugby union with seven players each side on a normal-sized field, rather than the normal fifteen" - if sevens is a variant or stripped-down version of rugby union why are you arguing that it is logical not to call it "rugby union sevens" despite, as you say, the designation of their sport as "rugby union"? LunarLander // talk // 14:28, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
We're not here to argue what the most logical name for a particular sport is. The common name for the sport is either sevens or rugby sevens and that's what the article ought to be named.GordyB (talk) 11:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I suggested Rugby union sevens in the belief that it would be the most favoured and accurate alternative. My main concern is that the article naming is biased currently for no good reason. Would Rugby sevens (rugby union) be acceptable? LunarLander // talk // 15:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not bias to use a name which is most recognised by users of the English language. I quote from Wikipedia's naming conventions:

  • The names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors, and for a general audience over specialists as well as;
  • Name an article as precisely as is necessary to indicate accurately its topical scope; avoid over-precision.

We, as "specialists" in the field of rugby league (in the loosest sense of the word) should not decide what the page name should be called. Most readers would recognise the page name's reference to rugby union, not league, and even if they didn't, they would be able to tell the difference by the clear distinctions made in the article's lead, and the tag in the header, as I said before. GW(talk) 15:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Rugby league's version of sevens doesn't have the general audience calling it "rugby league sevens"; they call it "sevens" or "rugby sevens" just the same as union people do theirs. Your arguments in this discussion are only considering what is best for this article but the discussion should be considering the situation for both. I don't think the tag in the header of the article, which I added, is sufficient any more. If there was only one code of rugby there wouldn't be a reason to be more specific but there are two and there is. LunarLander //talk // 18:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm well aware rugby league fans also refer to their own game as rugby sevens, and that some rugby union fans call it rugby union sevens, but you ignored the first convention I quoted. The majority of English readers would recognise the term "rugby sevens" as a union-exclusive term. Therefore, this article should remain "rugby sevens". GW(talk) 10:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

There's a notice at the top of the article redirecting users to the rugby league format. The only thing you could say in support of a move is that recently there was a drive to have all "rugby" articles marked "rugby union" or "rugby league" for disambiguation purposes, like "football" was for "American football" and "association football", but the article in its current state is sufficiently marked for the unknowing reader. GW(talk) 09:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Oppose - In my experience, "rugby sevens" is almost exclusively used to refer to the rugby union variant. I didn't even know there was a rugby league sevens until today. – PeeJay 21:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose I agree with PeeJay. Didn't know about the league aspect. The Samo thing has no real bearing either, would matter much more if it were say New Zealand. GainLine 21:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Comment rugby league usually plays nines rather than sevens, I'd be rather more militant about the issue if rugby league sevens was commonly played.GordyB (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose Everyone knows "Rugby Sevens" refers to rugby union. League has nothing to do with it and I can't understand why a section on League Sevens, which no one has ever heard about, need be included on the Rugby Sevens page. It's just another example of League people high-jacking Wikipedia to diseminate mis-information, create confusion, and somehow align itself with the bigger global popularity of Rugby Union.--Nepialegs (talk) 23:30, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Comment You seem to be accusing people of bad faith editing, that's not very nice. LunarLander // talk // 13:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Nearly always refers to the rugby union variety. RL sevens is a minor variety of league which hasn't taken off to the extent of nines, or its RU equivalent. Just to show I'm not partisan about this, I've redirected rugby nines to "rugby league nines". That's a case of the opposite - there is no significant RU form of nines.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Rugby League Sevens Section[edit]

I propose the section on 'Rugby League Sevens' be removed because it is totally irrelevant to this article on Rugby Sevens. Just as there is no need for a section on Rugby Sevens in the article on Rugby League Sevens (and in fact, there is no such section in the Rugby League section, as you would expect), there is no basis for information on Rugby League Sevens to be included in this article on Rugby Sevens. A link to the Rugby League Sevens article is clearly set out at the top of the this article for disambiguation purposes. No other encylcopedia would include a section on Rugby League Sevens in an article on the Rugby Sevens.--Nepialegs (talk) 03:56, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually I would support a small section on the RL variety on this article, and on the RU variety on the RL7 article.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Position numbers[edit]

The section on positions first lists 2 as a prop, 3 as the scrum-half, and 4 as the hooker. Then, in the very next line, lists the 2 as the hooker, 3 as a prop, and 4 as the scrum-half. I'm new to sevens, so I have no idea which one is right. Just wanted to leave a note so one of this page's editors can fix it. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.219.66.67 (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Scoring ???[edit]

For those of us handicapped by not knowing about rugby, (either version), a little something about SCORING POINTS would sure be welcome. Like, how does one score points and how many and that sort of thing. If it is in this article, I sure don't see it. GeeBee60 (talk) 15:45, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I've added a line in the overview section detailing the scoring system and that it's the same as regular rugby union. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.206.152 (talk) 19:58, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Pineapples?[edit]

Second para "Rugby sevens pineapples originated in Melrose, Scotland in the 1880s" - is this correct or vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.165.92 (talk) 18:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

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